tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post5454607215989546595..comments2023-10-11T02:51:41.729-05:00Comments on Voices in My Head: The Education ControversyTobiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14930468887760990485noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-44756994956957059942007-01-09T16:08:00.000-06:002007-01-09T16:08:00.000-06:00HNC,
He’s no Rav Moshe, but you just have this wr...HNC,<br /><br />He’s no Rav Moshe, but you just have this wrong. If you polled the entire staff of Revel, every last person would identify R’ Elyashiv as the GH. (With the possible exception of Rav Shachter, who would name himself – with some justification.)<br /><br />This ruling won’t cause much of a stir in some communities, but it will have repercussions well beyond Israel.dbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447811758752083384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-42562089349711965332007-01-08T07:19:00.000-06:002007-01-08T07:19:00.000-06:00After all, R' Elyashiv is THE recognized Godol Had...<i> After all, R' Elyashiv is THE recognized Godol Hador by virtually every strand of orthodoxy, </i><br /><br />I don't agree, and pretty much all of the people I know would not agree. Certainly he enjoys no-where near the wide base of authority that rav moshe feinstein enjoyed. I don't think MO consideres him as such (and they are a sizable segment of orthodoxy) and I know lubavitch doesn't consider him as such, and I seriously doubt that any of the chassidim see him as such either.<br /><br />Tobie, your MO and in touch with MO, I'm not far off base am I?<br /><br />and tobie, most people totaly panic and lose their bearing when they see fire.<br /><br />He's hardly mainstream.Looking Forwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04876831969877780546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-74592059168184334772007-01-07T18:34:00.000-06:002007-01-07T18:34:00.000-06:00viva la revolution! come teach at my school. we'll...viva la revolution! come teach at my school. we'll change the world. I mean, well, you know...we all want to change the world.Mirihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00971075346520291515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-79592176172977022862007-01-07T17:40:00.000-06:002007-01-07T17:40:00.000-06:00Yes, I'm not suggesting that you should change you...Yes, I'm not suggesting that you should change your theology because of this type of thing. Quite the contrary - go get that firehose.<br /><br />And don't underestimate the power of protest in this case. Women are a far stronger group then they percieve. They are not a weak minority - they are a strong majority. If they will not accept this rulling, it will change. <br /><br />Women have broken down stronger walls than this in the past. Who knows, maybe this is a cause which can actually bring enough factions together.<br /><br />As for myself, I didn't leave orthodoxy because of this type of stupidity - religious people hardly have a corner on that market. I left because I don't believe in the underlying dogma.dbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447811758752083384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-79562653349891160622007-01-07T14:50:00.000-06:002007-01-07T14:50:00.000-06:00Thanks, y'all. Just to clarify, something in the c...Thanks, y'all. Just to clarify, something in the comments of sarak, hnc, and especially dbs:<br /><br />It's not so much a question of outsiders erroneously perceiving Judaism as being x, y, or z. Because, frankly, I tend not to care about most people or about the 'rap' that Orthodoxy gets. But the fact is that I believe Judaism to be inherently malleable- actively shaped by those who live it. Therefore, people who do crazy things with Judaism- especially if they are the mainstream- are not simply misreprensenting my religion, but actively distorting it. As hnc said, Judaism is a communal religion and as such, the precedents set by this bunch of nutjobs necessarily makes my religion something different from what it was and very different from what I want it to be.<br /><br />The second necessary part of that is this: you can't desert the religion because people are distorting it. Because then you allow the distortions to be the unalloyed course that the religion is taking and who the heck wants that? Not to use loaded language, but if you see your house on fire, you're not going to shake your head and deplore all that evil arson going on and you're not going talk about how tragic it is that fire is forcing you out of your house. You're going to grab a blinking hose and go put out the stupid fire. It's a poor metaphor because the stupidity can only be overruled and not destroyed, but it's the best I can think of off-hand.Tobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14930468887760990485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-56530453156267342202007-01-07T13:00:00.000-06:002007-01-07T13:00:00.000-06:00Nice post, and I understand how you feel that this...Nice post, and I understand how you feel that this is a distortion of orthodoxy.<br /><br />And, I suppose that it is. <br /><br />Though, I'm more upset by the ruined lives and hungry children than of the bad rap that Judaism is getting. After all, R' Elyashiv is THE recognized Godol Hador by virtually every strand of orthodoxy, so this isn't just some outragous fringe guy who is running amok. This IS the mainstream of the religion.dbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447811758752083384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-83539032757083054292007-01-06T23:04:00.000-06:002007-01-06T23:04:00.000-06:00Great post, unfortunately;Great post, unfortunately;<(<br />After smirking at the whole thing, ultimately it leaves me sad, for the reasons you so well describe.<br />Add to it the divisiveness is brings on its trail...and the result is tragic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-70455365686243982052007-01-06T18:42:00.000-06:002007-01-06T18:42:00.000-06:00I think this is an excelent post. And scince I'm n...I think this is an excelent post. And scince I'm not really feeling in the phillosophical mood (joy my spelling went out the window a few weeks ago) I'll just point out a typo you made. <br /><br /><i>just to keep my religion within the realms of sane.</i><br /><br />Probably should read<br /><br /><i>just to keep my religion within the realms of <b>sanity</b>.</i><br /><br />but it's stupid stuff like this that almost makes you want to quit scince judaism is communal and if this kind of stuff is becomming mainstream that what is left of the judaism we loved? what's left to stay for? all they seem to want to do is make people misserable.Looking Forwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04876831969877780546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-24139171943499410332007-01-05T13:00:00.000-06:002007-01-05T13:00:00.000-06:00Well said. I agree. The same way that every Orth...Well said. I agree. The same way that every Orthodox Jew (especially a man with a kippah) is a "rabbi" to others, the stories that get all the attention are the views that non Jews have of all of us. <br /><br />It's really a shame.SaraKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08053908720926177402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14028500.post-48831987614879640302007-01-05T11:43:00.000-06:002007-01-05T11:43:00.000-06:00Your religion sounds groovy. What do you call it?...Your religion sounds groovy. What do you call it?<br /><br />:)e-kvetcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11235994048517019317noreply@blogger.com